We just know that they were back there, for all we know time could still be intact, as needed by the time-machine. 4D power abilities doesn't make you infinitely stronger than 3D abilities, "Mathematically N dimensional space would be R^N or product of N sub intervals of R.". My logic doesn´t have to be correct either, other debaters using their own system too. ", "Each "multiverse" in the multiverse is a universe that becomes a reality at the moment of recognition. Not really, if everything is given. However, the core drill shines in Simon's chest and his left arm has become Gurren Lagann's. All the gods of destruction fear him as he could wipe them all out effortlessly along with all of existence. Jump to. We are talking about defensive capabilities here, not offensive. Sections of this page. Yes, that labyrinth. So no, it still stand. Oh yeah, you don't take everything at face value, you just discard everything that doesn't fit in your canon as "gag" even when it's not. 61 Zamasu (Dragon Ball) HD Wallpapers and Background Images. Whether or not he's attacking means nothing as to what's actually shown. Do you think he wouldn't kill all mortals on spot if he had Zeno's power ? That's hax. Wait, where does it say Infinite Zamasu exists outside of time-space continuum ? The dimension of time is space+1 dimension, which and so is it everywhere: In one universe it is space+1 dimension. It's pure fanfiction, not supported by the story. Not only is it never stated or implied he used the warp (in fact off visuals alone it was nothing like when Black appeared for the first time due to the Time Ring which was already gone when Trunks destroyed his body, and by then the warp would've closed many minutes ago as shown with the first time), but even being able to physically spread his body across different space-time continuums as such would qualify regardless since he was still present there Becoming the Universe itself was already enough. It's that better for you? Numerous members of the Gurren Lagann who were behind him also nodded and returned Simon's bell. Isn't it Zeno's job to watch over the universes? X'D. - Wallpaper Abyss He has already affected this past and future. by traditional dimensional tiering, if an entity is to be 5th dimensional, should that entity not view all 3rd and 4th dimensional entities as pure fiction to them. I never said they did, we are arguing about their durability here. Goku and co. escaped by going on this timeline, if Zeno was blasting even there he would have destroyed them and the universe with Zamasu. That's hax. hm. What's the wiki's stance on why Zeno nuked the whole timeline if Zamasu had only fused with U7 at that point ? Dimensional travel makes someone 4D now? Speaking about both at the same time is just wrong. I agree the number of physicals universes you can destroy doesn't matter when it comes to higher dimensionality because at point you're just having a contest over who can destroy the most 3d matter while not transcending time in any way. 1: Zeno cannot erase someone who exists on three realities. by traditional dimensional tiering, if an entity is to be 5th dimensional, should that entity not view all 3rd and 4th dimensional entities as pure fiction to them, and also have infinite 4th dimensional powering (multiverse level+)? Tho I don't think misinterpreting author's intention with that panel should be used in this thread, since you know... the other side is DB... @divinemaster: What the author said doesn't seem wrong at all. For example, in Simon's case, he is caught up in the possibility that "if Kamina were still alive and had not fought the beastmen, he wouldn't have died". Yes, 4D in this context meaning the astral plane (hell/spirit world) which is completely unrelated to temporal and spatial dimensions. beside kronos who will survive, 1 up until 8 all get erased effortlessly. Even Hakai has feats of erasing people of a spiritual level (Beerus erasing a ghost and Sidra saying anyone that gets hakai'd ceases to exist and won't even go to otherworld). Zeno was just a tool for him to use. Bastards character have never shown being above timelines which is why he never said they were above 4 dimensions. Goku asks if he plans to erase Zamasu, and Future Zeno confirms, also saying he will erase the entire world with him. Log In Sign Up. For that abilities are more relevant. Nothing wrong with that. Giphy … Clears first 2, Dio and Sailor Moon from what i know. The Anti-Spiral has dropped numerous Spiral warriors up to this point and forced them to ruin.". Zeno meets modern science. you mean the freaking sky? all i know is H A Dio dies hilariously since his reality warping powers only work if his stands punches something. Zeno and maybe the Super Dragon Balls are the only ones who can kill Zamasu. So why would Zeno erase everything, even the places Zamasu hadn't spread? Brilliant logic. They all call him father. One Guy is 20xFTL, the other guy is 50.000xFTL. Zeno wouldn´t fight against Dark Schneider his astral existence, the same would be like Zeno wouldn´t fight against Hades true body in the first place. Not like the World of Void. See more of Zamasu on Facebook. Not to judge, but it's terribly out of order. I explained why i don´t see Zeno erasing Darsh and probably not the first time in this and probably in other topics too. Show evidence of Zamasu existing in another timeline and not just showing like in a windows. One guy is one dimension above that guy and the speed below becomes irrelevant. @bossmountain@gelato_exotic@sba_youngboy it might be confusing, that i use a different logic then you guys, but afaik there is no rule which tiering system can be used and which can´t. All the gods of destruction fear him as he could wipe them all out effortlessly along with all of existence. Tier: 2-C Name:Zeno, Omni-King, … He manipulated Zeno into everything. Some of them can´t even interact with eachother. Most likely Infinite Zamasu would avoid invading Zeno's … They all share traits of him. Xehanort's guardian is the will of Kairi's grandma. As Zeno does not destroy, he pretty much just removes them from existence itself instantaneously, leaving no room for any regeneration. Zeno didn't erase anything from past,present and future, He only erased the matter in the timeline by direct firepower. Zen'O is more than likely the first one to lift his hand and squish, especially since Dormmamu would remind Zen'O of Infinite Zamasu. Everything, all these "concepts" and "information" he created are specifically under the medium of his own Universe. This whole window warp claim about Zamasu is just as bad of a fanfiction lol. Xenoverse at this point might be a bit more accurate, then the canon DB. A multiverse with multi-dimensional layers is of course more impressive then a single universe with multi-dimensional layers. I'm not even sure what you consider higher Dimension is. That drill rotates rapidly. Sure, an infinite multiverse would be superior to a finite one, but only as long they exist in the same dimensional hierarchy. 7 months ago. No one is safe from his power. I'm saying it's not something a three-dimensional entity can do regardless of how much 3D dimensional power they possess. and it was two version of the same feat. No human is blasted in the other universe, is Zamasu stupid? Zeno can destroy timelines, which means he is superior to it, probably "above" it. Goku asks if he plans to erase Zamasu, and Future Zeno confirms, also saying he will erase the entire world with him. that's like saying if you can travel far enough you enter a new timeline. which Infinite Zamasue was in the processing of becoming if Zeno hadn't killed him. because 100 octillion X LS is faster than light. Infinite zamasu simultaneously existed in two different timelines and was still erased by zeno with no difficulty. The issue was by the time he was informed, Zamasu had infected everything with his soul, resulting the need for him to erase everything it had infected, … It isn´t space-time, space-time in Bastard!! They all share traits of him. If i can´t explain it good enough it is my problem. This whole window warp claim about Zamasu is just as bad of a fanfiction lol. Zeno and maybe the Super Dragon Balls are the only ones who can kill Zamasu. that's not necessarily true an infinite multiverse would always be superior to a finite one. he was above the time space of a single 4d timeline. People like Goku, Beerus, etc. Higher dimensions are mostly vague. @caocao: "That works in the same dimensional hierarchy, but not into higher. and before you say yes Zeno himself is only 3 dimensional as they are different versions of him in each timeline however his erasing hax is clearly 4th dimensional for erasing an entire timeline and affecting another. he was just looking at time through a magically time warp window....those are totally a thing in Dragon ball right? Higher dimensional? Just checking to see if this was discussed before btw. It protects him from Zeno by simply Zeno not having high enough potency to affect people on such a level. Zeno erases him with the timeline(s). Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! but the time ring representing the time line disappeared. that's like saying a character is either faster than light or they're not. He likes those humans and want them to live? Dec 10, 2017 #3 The problem with zeno … In Magi it is more, that it doesn´t matter how big a multiverse is, or how many dimensional layer it has, since most multiversal types failed against that type of cosmology.. Darsh his entire existence is fiction to people from the SP, even the entire composite SS and DB would be viewed as fiction from the lowest point of the hierarchy. Simon escaping the multiversal labyrinth isn't really multiversal power considering all he is doing is intergrating himself with the labyrinth and taking his friends out of it (and we know that a universal+ attack later powers TTGL into STTGL). Social Shares. Because the destruction of space-time itself can´t harm him. But even from that point i accepted that feat from Zeno a long time before. I think there are characters in DB with better chances to beat Darsh in different ways, because it is more easy to have the correct ability then someone who is just more "powerful". if a character and free travel across timelines without the aid of some magic or scientific device then it would. That probably only appears to Kronos and higher. Simon's appearances spreads all over the space. Furthermore, Fused Zamasu in Heroes hasn't really shown any new crazy feat. Yes? That doesn't prove that the Zamasu shown running away wasn't just a copy of the original Zamasu and knew or didn't know that the actual Zamasu was in Zeno's body and going to erase him. they are impossible to destroy unless you power can transcend time space. It should be who can tank the attack head on. a 4D being would or could exist simultaneously in the past present and future of a single timeline and could freely traverse it. This will include addressing Jiren scaling to Zamasu, statements regarding the series and many other stuff that have been abused over the years to make the series where it was. But what is someone, who is above one dimension above 4-D, if not 5-D? when he erases the universes, they can't even go to other world. It doesn't mean they can destroy those dimensions. People automatically thinking someone can now destroy infinite space-time continuums. Add the numbers of spaces+1 dimension doesn´t help against something that exist above space+1 dimension. Don´t know a lot people in this gauntlet, but he isn´t erasing Dark Schneider, Cronos and the Dies Irae thing. The rest was pretty normal stuff for him. He wasn´t "above" it, especially after fusing with the timelines. Zamasu was still part of the space-time concept, since Zeno erased him along with the timelines. Zen'ō (全王, literally King of Kings) is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon Ballmultiverse. Timeline 4 – Unseen Timeline. so why is being beyond 3 dimensional constructs should grant immunity to a 4th dimensional hax? It is a logical trap that an intelligent creatures cannot escape from the "multiverse" forever because the "possible future possibilities" are transformed into the "universes" as they are. He would exist in a dimension which has +1 dimension in comparison to space-times. He clearly had a prevalent presence in the present and was stated to be affecting it beyond this window warp headcanon. Post New Message; First; Previous; Page 3 of 3; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. The move makes a video game debut in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 in a cutscene when Infinite Zamasu attempts to kill the Time Patrollers. "this is definitely not what is the situation for darsh while he is in his astral realm, so i do not think he is true 5th dimensional. What's the wiki's stance on why Zeno nuked the whole timeline if Zamasu had only fused with U7 at that point ? . Download for free on all your devices - Computer, Smartphone, or Tablet. Afaik it is used in the first place in quantum mechanics where even time is a quantum. And again list of characters that under their ''Own physical power'' are capable traversing and affect.other timelines that are fodder? You don't need any of that? If you need more reasons ask @mevbi@caocao@varricpatermann@fallschirmjager etc. Zamasu was still part of the space-time concept, since Zeno erased him along with the timelines. . The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Blasphemy. … Fraud Section (Crim Div) Alumni Membership-only site for Fraud Section alumni As Zeno does not destroy, he pretty much just removes them from existence itself instantaneously, leaving no room for any regeneration. Eternal Atoms only works if Schneider's physical, mental, or spiritual self is being destroyed individually. There exist higher dimensions within space-time (Like in DB the world of Kai) and higher dimensions above space-time (Zeno´s world) The problem is that travel to those worlds without a good explanation makes those dimensions inconsistent. I've yet to see a good reason for Dark Schneider surviving but the others I agree. Zeno is, as of now, the supreme being of Dragonball. genii96 GENIUS. Press alt + / to open this menu. There is some context to that feat. When he became Infinite Zamasu, he killed off all life in the universe. Since there are zero mortals, all universes have low mortal level. Zen-Oh has the capacity to erase anything and everything from existence, as Beerus stated he could erase all twelve remaining universes from existence if he so wished. The 4-D timespace at this point isn´t superior since it means the same time, but with a different/alternative function. You really aren't making sense here. We don't know yet. a single timeline can contain countless sperate times-spaces. One guy is one dimension above that guy and the speed below becomes irrelevant. That doesn't prove anything thought. But that isn´t a problem of a dimension above space-time, it is more a problem that there only exist one universe where Dark Schneider is coming from. Search, discover and share your favorite Zeno GIFs. if a character and free travel across timelines without the aid of some magic or scientific device then it would. with was just a illusion caused by the magic time warp window Zamasu apparently used like @bad_wolf said. Even Frieza was shocked and disgusted by this . But here he wasn't infecting anything, in fact he wasn't even outside the warp and wasn't attacking. Good for you, fun debating with you. One Guy is 20xFTL, the other guy is 50.000xFTL. Yes, Zeno's erasure can be local, I know. He could use a generic Ki blast but he didn't. a character can be above a the time space of a single 3d universe above the time space of a 4d timeline above the time space of multiverse or outversal and all these status are "Beyond time and space." Zeno is definitely evil. Similar to his partner, Goku Black (an alternate Zamasu who stole Goku's body), the future version of Zamasu was distrustful of mortals and gods, however, he described himself as not having the will to act on his desires. Again this is not necessarily a contradiction anymore this argument was brought up and shot down three times on this tread alone. If there is still official time, then either it is because inconsistency, or there is an explanation for it. Oh no, because Zamasu just decided to chill on Bulma's garden, he clearly likes the place and has no ill intention towards them. He is more neutral.zeno is evil. 36. People make one mistake: They think 4-D in Bastard!! That's where the drill comes in. Accessibility Help. Fudo Myo-o (Samurai 8) ------> dont know. About. It doesn't mean they can destroy those dimensions. Or maybe you're the only one allowed to do that. No one in S8 has speed feats comparable to Goku and him being omnipresent to the point where he can just blitz anyone is pure conjecture. Tier: 2-C Name:Zeno, Omni-King, … He was only merging with space and had hax that allowed him to access a different timeline(which is a range feat), If he actually merged with time the fight against Zeno would have gone very differently,not him crying like a pussy, @bossmountain: Yeah and also, 2021 and people still can't grasp the simple fact that Time is just a property of space in itself, Cool and? Its like in other franchises like Marvel where Scarlet Witch is 2C since she has Reality Warping. "Beyond time and space", isn´t even vague, as explained on different pages, how the 4-D in Bastard!! Again there's no contradiction time as a product of space meaning if there's an object that exists there will still be some amount of time it's possible they were only able to return to the timeline because Zeno was there afterwards they said they couldn't return to it anymore. Uhhh, you ok? That might be relevant if someone like Zeno for example fight against Gabramelek, who destroyed 12 universes too. RoF is a sperate time-space from the outside world. If a Universe isn't doing well, he gets rid of it a long with the people whose jobs it is to make sure … Last resort developed by the Anti-Spiral. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Higher dimensional character character is simply a character capable of moving affecting or existing rid of dimensional space, So did you just completely gloss over Beerus saying that it's actually affecting the present and Whis can actually feel him? Actually there was no void! you can above the time space of a 3D universe or above the time space of a single 4D timeline or above the time space of infinite amount of 4d timelines. If Beerus did this would be considered evil. Report this GIF; Iframe Embed. Share the best GIFs now >>> I'm more inclined to argue that time was still intact, as showed by the time.machine still working. The crews of the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann are trapped inside the multiverse. Methuselah (Dies Irae) -----> same as round 5. Also we are talking about this labyrinth, right ? See more of Zamasu on Facebook. Although child-like in appearance and personality, his power is feared by even the Angels and the Gods of Destruction, having destroyed six of the original eighteen universes in a fit of anger. Home. And creating an Infinite Universe is just Universal+ at most (assuming it isn't just a hyperbolic statement, since the DB Universe has several statements for being Infinite too), not even if you consider the fact that in the space he created his Universe, matter already existed indicating he did not create time and space itself. I'm asking for scans/proof that shows Zeno can erase beings on astral level that function outside of time and space. you keep making these completely nonsensical demands that doesn't tie into anything I'm talkin about.. You just keeping bringing your theory and fan fiction in the arguments while people are trying to understand what happened in the manga. Show evidence of Zamasu existing in another timeline and not just showing like in a windows. Wiz: It is also constantly stated that Zeno cannot be defeated no matter what, even though that is a no limits fallacy. That is exactly the Anti-Spiral trap that takes away "will to live" from a person. Multiple characters across fiction have dimensional travel while still being relatively fodder in terms of power. Other Universes even existed before him which he himself is from till creating his own pretty sure, so he clearly did not create these actual concepts themselves. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - … The Grand Priest warned with a calm but furious tone of voice as Zamasu stumbled back a few steps. Dude. Also, astral planes in Bastard!! Not always. Like manga or anime ? Hmm... i don´t really get how he was "above timelines", when he just switched from one timeline to another. Sure, under the circumstances of Simon's huge willpower. With Zamasu's reign and the Project Zero Mortals gone for good, Future Trunks and Future Mai leave to another timeline, to a time before Future Shin dies in order to stop Future Babidi and Future Dabura from killing him in that timeline. They are using all different constructs in the verse. and we can not assume greatest possible value off a vague above time statement anymore that i can assume a character is 100 octillion of times faster than because he was stated to be faster than light!. Because he was just inside the warp, he wasn't attacking anyone, he wasn't infecting stuff. Yeah, but by transcending time or being not affected by it anymore, you have the next problem because it wouldn´t stop at a physical universe anymore. He manipulated Zeno into everything. Probability manipulator? Forgot account? Its not a generic ki blast. No one is safe from his power. Zeno does not erase the timeline since there is no infinite Zamasu but instead erases Black and Zamasu. But for someone where time-space becomes irrelevant, how does it matter if someone can destroy one or thousend of it? he was just looking at them through a magically time warp window....those are totally a thing in Dragon ball right? part of the reason Solaris from Sonic 2006 is called a higher dimension being because he can do this. The drill engulfs Simon in the multiverse and turns him into a vortex of light. When he became Infinite Zamasu, he killed off all life in the universe. Not quiet. He was able to hold his own against Jiren but that was thanks to his immortality. Find GIFs with the latest and newest hashtags! zeno is worse than zamasu Thread starter animegod12345; Start ... Zeno doesn't care. It is more the fanbase that takes things out of context, either to wank or to downplay the verse. because Zeno hax could still affact him cuz the trancend time-space. I don't care if they're similar, they're not the same thing, they're two different medium. 61 Zamasu (Dragon Ball) HD Wallpapers and Background Images. Projecting the nonsense you've been doing onto me already, ok then. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann: I don't think it works on him. The OP said they are allowed to use everything so DS should be able to survive/come back via Eternal Atoms. It's no way connected by the fact that's were the old warp was or were the time-machine appears. If only we listened. Zamasu did what he did because he believed it was justice. IIRC he only fused with it and started affecting other time-space continuums. Regeneration on a space-time level means they can regenerate after even being destroyed on space-time level. In comparison to Bastard!! Never said the opposite. He disappeared when he was destroyed in the other timeline. 4-D can also be mean a hyperspace or extra dimension. @bossmountain: The regeneration is literally stated to be on a space-time level too. The strongest and worst of the people by an expanded interpretation of quantum cosmology. Actually there was no void! even if you want to argue he Fudo transcends the timeline so did Infinite zamasu and he got blinked. works. It is just space+space = more space. This GIF by TOEI Animation UK has everything: hello, hi, GOKU! why going an interpretation greater than the cosmology of the verse would logically allow? there is no way a purely 3d person with purely 3d powers can just walk into another timeline. Zamasu … That´s also one reason why it means infinity times above that lesser dimensional model, because that lesser dimensional model has no effect. The numbers of universes only matters for someone who is inferior or equal to it. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Gurren Lagann), They allowed to use Everything to Survive (Power, stats, hax, etc.). when it comes to something as vague as "beyond time and space" we should use the interpretation that makes the most sense given the verses cosmology. The rest was pretty normal stuff for him. so basically 3d attacks can't killed them. Also Zeno only ended Trunks universe, he did not erase its entire timeline. The feat exactly the same as both versions the only thing that changes are some of the details involving the circumstances. The numbers of space-time continuums doesn´t count only for a single universe, they also count for a bigger number of universes. I see the argument that the whole Zeno thing was dumb and … Press J to jump to the feed. Due the fact that angels and demons doesn´t have a prime material existence as long they don´t enter the material world, also the fact that it was stated they come from a higher dimension, the points that space-time is part of the 3-D world, the point that superluminal speed now is a thing in the astral world, etc. Destroying an entire spacetime continuum =/= being beyond space-time. He clowned on the … Bastard!! Zeno might have some hax that lets him destroy anything he wants, or maybe he's using strength. Not every dimensional construct sees lower dimensions as fiction. If only we listened. Yes, Zeno's erasure can be local, I know. The numbers of time-spaces can´t change the situation since that very concept doesn´t work against a being that exist "above" it. If there is still official time, then either it is because inconsistency, or there is an explanation for it. But the fact still is at that point Zeno erased the timeline to the point where it's confirmed it was completely gone by multiple characters, along with the timeline he erased Zamasu who was literally merged with multiple separate space-times, the Time Ring which is representative of its temporal existence altogether disappeared, and the Time Machine couldn't go back it via normal Time Travelling like before until Pilaf and Bulma completely rewired it tdo something else. Give Gift; Back to Top; Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 30, 2017 2:55:36 GMT. I am aware, however from what I've seen Eternal Atoms work independent of time-space. All the angels are a part of him. But that time it wasn't local, it was to erase Zamasu and so the universe he infected. Had he not been physically present in the present Beerus wouldn't have sensed him (considering Beerus didn't sense him when he became Infinite Zamasu in the Future timeline initially) and the others wouldn't have seen him.
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